[lbo-talk] Re: light of my life, maybe not the fire of my loins

Mike Ferro fagiolaio at comcast.net
Mon Sep 20 14:12:14 PDT 2004


Joanna is right that there are indeed definitions for "Sexual Sadism" and "Sexual Masochism" in the DSM-IV (I just looked 'em up), if not for sadism or masochism generally. Mea culpa. My original comment, though, remains that the DSM-IV is a poor source of authority for the argument in question.

Mike

on 9/20/04 1:05 PM, joanna bujes at jbujes at covad.net wrote:


> Oh, I thought I saw it under paraphilia/sexual sadism.
>
> But otherwise I agree with Mike. The DSM-IV happens to be the current
> bible for insurance and social work purposes. If there had been one
> fifty years ago, it would have listed homosexuality as an aberration,
> and then Brian would not be almost quoting from it.
>
> Joanna
>
> Mike Ferro wrote:
>
>> These invocations of the DSM-IV by those who know nothing of it, for the
>> purpose of attempting to inflate the power of an argument seems kinda "sick"
>> to me.
>>
>> By the way, there's no mention of "sadism" in the DSM-IV. There are, however
>> categoric designations for various types of abuse, physical, sexual and
>> emotional of adults and children.
>>
>> The DSM-IV is hardly the last word in definition of mental disorders. It's
>> value these days is mostly as a way of providing documentation for
>> health-insurance purposes. Often therapists will consult with their clients
>> as to how they want to be described, so that the insurance money will flow.
>>
>> Mike Ferro
>>
>>
>> on 9/20/04 8:24 AM, ravi at gadfly at exitleft.org wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Brian Charles Dauth wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Chris Doss writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Being a sadist means being turned on by causing pain, i.e., sick in the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> head.
>>>>
>>>> Have they re-written the DSM-IV or is it just that you have your own
>>>> personal edition calibrated to match your hatred, ignorance, and peculiar
>>>> notions of reality?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> brian,
>>>
>>> i do not know what the DSM-IV is, but since you quoted dictionary
>>> definitions in response to joanna, here's the definition of sadism from
>>> dictionary.com:
>>>
>>>
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