Lance Murdoch wrote:
>On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:42:50 -0400, Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com> wrote:
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>>Of course, dominance also is an emotionally loaded word, especially
>>for people who identify with feminist or leftist ideology. However,
>>in this realm we're not talking about traditional dominance (e.g. as
>>defined by Marx) but situations where one person not only willingly
>>but gratefully gives up control (within spoken or unspoken limits) to
>>another person in order to obtain sexual or emotional pleasure or
>>satisfaction. This is consensual dominance/submission. (Nonconsensual
>>D/S---also known as "rape" or "abuse"---is condemned at least as
>>strongly by people who participate in BDSM activities as by the rest
>>of society.)
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>Right...like when the police come to the door of a domestic violence
>call and the woman tells the cops to forget about it. She gratefully
>gives up control, right? She wants it and deserves it, obviously.
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No. Usually these womans did not explicitally asked to be beaten/"controlled" in advance, nor get excited about it. (and how about dominant women and sub males, who are much more frequent?)
>You do not see dogs, monkeys, or people in hunter-gatherer cultures
>engaged in sado-masochism? Why? Because it's unnatural - and sick.
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But I did not ever seen monkeys or dogs using viagra or prozac or eat
big macs or driving cars or...
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