<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=062550816-18022004>The U.S. war on Iraq is racist.  As per this thread, the anti-racist character of the armed resistance to the U.S. invasion and occupation contributes to its definition as a national liberation and "resistance" ( in the sense of politically correct) struggle. The U.S. is carrying out the White Man's Burden-2004  in Iraq.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=062550816-18022004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=062550816-18022004>I believe Yoshie was  examining whether the racist nature of the U.S. war is reflected or correlated with races of listers positions on the issue of "resistance" vs "terrorism". It is not at all beyond appropriate discussion to consider whether sensitivity to racism in the US war on Iraq is greater in people of color !  And there doesn't have to be a perfect correlation just like there doesn't have to be in any other statistical analysis.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=062550816-18022004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=062550816-18022004>For a white person to accuse a person of color of racebaiting for same is, in my opinion,  racism itself. It is the typical racism of this period in the U.S. - Reaganite or new racism, which denies that racism still exists ( including on the left). Say something like "I'm uncomfortable with talking about race... and what about this that doesn't fit your correlation ." But to accuse a person of color of racebaiting is be like the Detroit News or New York Times or some other racist institution. The represssion of raising racism is one of the main forms of racist repression today.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=062550816-18022004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=062550816-18022004>White people who are overall not racists , still make racist mistakes. ( they aren't "racists" , but "influenced by"..). It is still possible for a racist pattern of whatever to occur on a left email list. To act indignant when a person of color ( especially one who has demonstrated over a period of years that she does not make careless or flippant sames ) speculates that it might be is ...racist. This might have been much better understood by white leftists in the "sixties" than now. We have lost that consciousness among many white leftists, maybe. </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=062550816-18022004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=062550816-18022004>Practice of criticism /self-criticism might help.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=062550816-18022004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=062550816-18022004>Charles</SPAN></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>