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<div>Chris Doss has long left no doubt about his preference for
the</div>
<div>&quot;February Revolutionaries&quot; Miliukov and Kerensky as
against</div>
<div>the &quot;October Revolutionaries,&quot; those &quot;assholes,&quot;
those</div>
<div>&quot;irresponsible adventurists,&quot; Lenin and Trotsky.&nbsp;
Soit.&nbsp; But he</div>
<div>should not be allowed to get away with blatant
falsifications:</div>
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<div>1.)&nbsp; &quot;land to the peasants&quot; could not have taken
place at all</div>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; without the &quot;October&quot;
overthrow of his &quot;February&quot; favorites;</div>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; peasant landownership was
absolutely untouched until 1929-1930;</div>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the miltarized forced
collectivization was not the work of</div>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the &quot;October&quot;
Bolsheviks but that of their murderer.</div>
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<div>2.)&nbsp; There was nothing &quot;hypothetical&quot; about
&quot;revolution in</div>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Germany,&quot; as the Kaiser found
out in less than a year.</div>
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<div>3.)&nbsp; The Bolsheviks took power under conditions of
*imperialist*</div>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; war, not of civil war.&nbsp;
&quot;October&quot; ended the imperialist war</div>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; in the East.&nbsp;
&quot;February&quot; regrouped and began the civil war</div>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; that bled &quot;October&quot;
white and, in the absence of successful</div>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; European socialist
revolutions, led to the Imperial</div>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; restoration under
Yusef.</div>
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<div>Shane Mage<br>
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<div>Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64</div>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>Yeah, that &quot;Land to the Peasants!&quot;
thing didn't last very long.</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>I am not a fan of the Bolshies by any
means, who I think at bottom were irresponsible adventurists, gambling
the fate of 200 million or so people on a hypothetical revolution in
Germany as they did, but to be fair they _were_ operating under
conditions of civil war. There's no way to know how much of what they
did was out of ideological fervor and&nbsp;how much out of being
backed into a corner.<br>
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