Why is it that it's so often the same people who worry about destroying the planet by burning oil AND worry about running out? If both are true, shouldn't they celebrate the running out part, and not bother with environmental politics at all? Doug has consistency in favour of his approach to this. But all of the debate about climate change still hasn't produced a consensus. Can't some of the petro-thusians take time out and tell us what the alternative is? If we are going to have to switch from fossil fuel reliance, how exactly will you manage the massive shift in living patterns, the enforced parochialism of a world without cars, how will you distribute the misery and impoverishment that it would cause? Just saying that we MUST use less, that we MUST develop alternatives is not an answer to this. I'd rather take my chances with climate change than surrender all that humanity has won from nature over the past few generations. --James