JKS: The ransom story doesn't sound right. W gave away his fortune, though it is unclear to me exactly when. JG: I've just looked at Ray Monk's excellent biog of W and he says that W discussed the situation with Sraffa and others and was persuaded not to rush to Austria until he was naturalised as a British citizen, in case he couldn't get back. While he was waiting, the family tried to escape to Switzerland on false passports, but were caught. They tried to bribe their way out of it using family money that was tied up in complex trusts. When LW got his passport, he went over to negotiate, and they were able to buy certificates of German blood using family money from Switzerland. Incidentally, in 1946 Sraffa decided to stop talking to W because it was too much hard work! W said that he would talk about anything, but Sraffa said, 'Yes, but in your way'! Monk treats the poker story very briefly, saying that no one agrees on what happened. Popper's version was that W was wielding a poker during a discussion, and stormed over to Popper with the poker and demanded an example of a moral rule. P said, 'Don't threaten visiting lecturers with a poker.' I like that version best. I really recommend the biog. JKS: If Aristotle isn't profound, I don't know what the word means. JG: I know Marx is not the measure of all things, but he cites Aristotle more than anyone else except Hegel. JKS: Anglo-American philosophy, so-called, prizes (but often fails to attain) clarity,precision, thoroughness, exactness, comprehensiveness and depth of argument -- the virtues Hegel would associate with the Understanding. This can be boring unless you get your head into that space. JG: I agree absolutely. I hated this stuff until I had the privilege of being in a reading group with a really good analytic philosopher. Yes, it can be dull and also often trivial, and it can foreclose on big questions. But I wish I'd had the formal training - it is, I think, a much better preparation than jumping into continental stuff. John Bizwas: "I think that both currents have wound up in a period of deep skepticism over rationality." JG: Yes, and this is the crux, I think. As John has pointed out, the differences are not as great as those involved think they are.