I agree with Doug about the stupidity of 'hastening the contradictions', but it's not my reading of the Zizek article. Zizek's first point is that when progressives respond to Bush's victory with despair/fear, they are throwing their lot in with the liberals. He goes on to explain that Kerry was a false hope - in some ways, he would have been even worse. He also notes the surprise among liberals that people could have voted for Bush despite the good intellectual and cultural elites opposing him, although Zizek doesn't explicitly criticise the elitism of this prejudice. The point of confusion is where Zizek writes that Bush's victory will 'dispel the illusions' and that a Kerry victory would be a 'historical anomaly'. I don't think that he means that things have to get worse for a progressive alternative to emerge. I think he means that progressives need to acknowledge their defeat, and the defeat of their ideas. This interpretation is supported by the reference to Hegel saying that Napoleon needed to be defeated twice to be sure that it was a historical shift not a 'one-off'. Only when defeat is faced can new and powerful progressive challenges emerge. Zizek's points about democracy can also be taken two ways. I take him to mean that progressives shouldn't get caught up in deomocratic politics, they should challenge the system. But I'm sure that some will read it as meaning that we need a more inclusive democracy. I tend to agree that a new vision of world order is emerging, but I see it more as an organising principle for what was already developing. It's amazing how quickly Clinton's aggressive 'humanitarian' wars have been forgotten, and even how Kissinger/Nixon have been recast as reasonable pragmatists, now that everyone is attacking the neocons. I also reject Zizek's idea that Mercosur and the EU will be a pole of resistance. Zizek is my hero, but he can be astonishingly silly sometimes. It's politically naive to praise the EU, and he seems to be hinting towards a realist (in IR terms) desire for a counterweight to US power - hardly appropriate for a progressive who wants to avoid being caught up in democratic struggles. I don't know about being around the bend, but the problem I have with Slavoj is that he's a big wuss. He makes a big political point by talking about Hegel and Napoleon and leaves us to work it out for ourselves rather than putting his own neck on the line by spelling it out. It's a kind of left-Straussianism that is deliberately ambiguous about questions bearing on immediate political issues. --James --- Doug Henwood wrote: Dwayne Monroe wrote: >I interpret it to be a variation on the old "hastening the >contradictions" theme. I.e., the worse the better. Let's welcome being hated by three billion people, the privatization of Social Security, creationists on the bench, etc. It'll hasten the revolution! No it won't. Doug ___________________________________ http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk