Justin: "we ain't got national health and we do got, still, to some degree, the right to recover damages. We should defend it while arguing for national health. Which we are not going to get..." Doug: "the current political battle is over whether to cap malpractice awards radically or not. An acquaintance was mangled by a Dallas hospital, spent some time in a coma and now is largely paralyzed, but thanks to tort reform in Texas, his award is capped at $250k. The doc and the hospital will carry on unpunished." Justin is too pessimistic. I can't see it any time soon in the US, but part of the reason for that is that you're all distracted by a minor tactical issue about a few people benefiting from lawsuits. A 'lucky' minority of people who are paralyzed were paralyzed because of malpractice, so they get money. Most don't. That's bad. But in Doug's example, the hospital was punished to the tune of $250k, and the docter was probably disciplined. The bigger question is the effect that tort law has on hospitals. Hypothetically, say an HMO saves $12m p.a. by running tests that are not clinically necessary and cost $10m p.a.. That means that $10m is not being spent on real patient care. And that goes unpublished and largely unacknowledged. When we speak of malpractice, it doesn't generally refer to doctors butchering patients because they're drunk, but to honest professionals making mistakes. And when they are disporportionately punished for making mistakes, it encourages a timid conservatism that isn't necessarily best for patient care. Justin: "Btw, in case it wasn't quite clear, I have no material interest in opposing tort reform." It wouldn't matter if you did. Tort lawyers are not wrong because they have material interests. I am uncomfortable with the way people try to disavow interest in political debate. Self-serving ideas are sometimes in the public good, and disinterested promotion of ideas can be terrible for the majority. We can only sort them out by debating the relative merits of the ideas, not the relatively disinterested moral worth of those propounding them. James. James Greenstein