[lbo-talk] Exploitation

Charles Brown cbrown at michiganlegal.org
Tue Apr 12 13:44:04 PDT 2005


Wojtek Sokolowski

-clip- Ergo, capitalism is wrong not because it does not pay workers "full" wages, but because it uses them in a way that makes them lose their human potential and humanity.

^^^^^ CB: How about capitalism is wrong because it necessarily means oppression, poverty and war, and now environmental degradation ?

The greatest achievement of the _worldwide_ socialist revolution will be the end of oppression, war and poverty, and hopefully it won't be too late to avoid environmental catastrophe. As noted, socialism would still have a social fund.

Marx's forumula for communism - from each according to ability , to each according to need - seems to anticipate some transfer of some people's work product to others who work less than the producer, obviously without disapproving of same.

On exploitation as right or wrong, in _The Manifesto of the Communist Party_ , Engels and Marx seem to posit a sort of human extinct to resist exploitation and oppression. They don't so much denounce it as wrong , as think that people will inevitable fight against it. Thus, history has been a history of class struggles, because exploited and oppressed humans will always eventually fight back. There is no need for Marx and Engels to add a moral denunciation of it, but rather they argue that the spontaneous resistences to it are , well ...natural (sorry Carrol). Allowing yourselves to be exploited is against your natural self-interests. " Do what comes naturally to you ", is what they are saying. I suppose this could be a version of Wojtek's human potential



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