[lbo-talk] Salon on Andrea Dworkin

[amadeus amadeus]

I also note that the charge of "self-defeat" is one
that the right frequently makes of leftists, as if in
momentary indulgence of their aspirations of getting
out of their la-z-boy to head up the next S&T session.
"They champion the very thing they hate" kind of
thing.
--adx
--- andie nachgeborenen
<andie_nachgeborenen at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Would she have permitted paymment of the blood
> price,
> as under many traditional revenge systems? Woiuld
> the
> execution be free form or constrained, e.g. no
> castration or torture? What about women whose
> sensibilities are squeasmish or opposed to violence.
> Could they appoint a champion? Forgo the execution
> altogether? Would due process play any role in thsi,
> or would the oroceduree laep from accusation to
> execution without notice or an opportunity to be
> heard? Whata bout appeals? Would we be othered if a 
> lot of rape accusations turned out to be of black
> men
> rraping white women? Would personal revenge of this
> sort be limited to raoe, or would it be applicable
> for
> other crimes -- murder, assault, robbery,
> price-fixing?
> 
> Sorry about the lawyer's questions.
> 
> --- amadeus amadeus <amadeus482000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > For Dworkin, it eventually
> > > evolved into the 
> > > idea that rape victims should be allowed to
> > > personally execute their 
> > > attackers. That idea was grandiose, it was
> > > idealistic and, like 
> > > Dworkin, it was ultimately self-defeating."
> > 
> > Just out of curiosity, and please don't take this
> as
> > implied advocacy, what standard of measurement
> leads
> > us to think that these ideas were
> "self-defeating,"
> > or, as another writer said, the cause for setbacks
> > in
> > the feminist movement? How might this get
> > determined?
> > Did more rapes or denials of employment occur? I
> > find
> > the claims that these ideas were self-defeating to
> > be
> > "grandiose". Couldn't they be applied to anyone
> for
> > anything, for any reason, without much need for
> > explanation?
> > People said the ideas of MLK Jr. were
> > self-defeating,
> > too. Prove or disprove.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > "Mary Poppins is alive and well in Argentina, she
> > sends her regards."
> > - Rod McKuen, The Mud Kids
> > 
> > 
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