[lbo-talk] Re: Motives of the London bombers

ravi lbo at kreise.org
Sat Aug 6 07:50:34 PDT 2005


On 05/08/2005 6:19 PM, Luke Weiger wrote:
> Ravi wrote:
>
>> but when was it claimed that the bombing is a result of the iraq war?
>
> Remick and Brown have repeatedly made that claim. So has at least one
> Guardian writer.
>

searching through the archives for "london bomb result iraq war" (perhaps the search engine does substring match by default, instead of all words?), all i could find was:

adding 'remick' to the search:

http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20050725/015962.html

a post by carl but he's talking about the murder of the brazilian in london being a result of the iraq war.

substituting "carl" for "remick" made not much difference (yielded two false positives).

onward to "charles" and "brown":

lot of false positives but nothing were CB says london bombing was a result of the iraq war. i even searched for "CB" and that came up with nothing.

interesting, there is this from jim devine:

http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20050711/014854.html


> Again, a lot of silly arguments would be avoided if people eschewed
> single-cause explanations (e.g., people "going postal" [*] or "it's
> simply a result of the the US/UK war against Iraq") and realized that
> both (or many) of these explanations can be part of the truth.

bingo, if i may!

afaict, this is not a debate around the statement: "the iraq war was the sole cause of the london bombing" or "the london bombing was a result of the iraq war [exclusive of all other causes]".

rather, its a debate about whether: a) the iraq war contributed (significantly) to the motivation of the bombers and b) if the bombing would still have occured if the UK had not pursued the illegal war. this can be loosely called (and has been by various parties), "the iraq connection".

the debate around this notion has included confusion around the use of the words "causing" and "do"ing, and wojtek's ideas about male castration and such (;-), i think). the articles forwarded have included ones that suggest that "deeper analysis" is required and for their part offered additional psychoanalysis (historical analysis is shallower than probing the psyche of individuals?).

in the meantime, the british establishment, not yet as "sophisticated" enough in newspeak, as the US leaders and pundits are, has up and admitted the iraq connection. british intelligence warnings, etc. and blair even turned around to condemn straw for the latter suggesting there was no connection.

--ravi



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