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And I don't understand how anyone who really think of
himself as a Marxist could think a secrety policdeman
could be democratic period.
^^^^^ CB: Marx and Engels didn't a liberal democratic approach to democracy. You will find ,if we start looking into Marx and Engels on democracy ,that they will sound a whole lot more like me than you in this discussion. So, as to a Marxist and democracy, you are not correct here. Marx and Engels contemplated a centralized government for socialism with a state, i.e. police, a represssive apparatus etc., and they considered said socialist state as the highest level of democracy.
See here:
We have seen above that the first step in the revolution by the working class is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class to win the battle of democracy ( That's their root definition of "democratic" - CB)
The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralize all instruments of production in the hands of the state, i.e., of the proletariat organized as the ruling class; and to increase the total productive forces as rapidly as possible.
Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionizing the mode of production.
These measures will, of course, be different in different countries.
Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.
1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.
http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/classics/manifesto.html
The issue of "secret" doesn't wash. It is Cold War capitalist nonsensical, mystification. _Open_ police, in your face police are scarier. It's not like in the type of society they are trying to portray the SU as, the police would have to come secretly in the night for you. If the police were forced to act in secret, the would indicate that they were less dominant. So, the "secret" adjective is Cold War shallow thinking.
Anyway, the U.S. had secret police. The FBI did all kinds of secret dirty work. So, even the implication that the bad guys had secret police that the good guys didn't is off. But I'm not arguing that because it would be _tu quoque_.