[lbo-talk] Hustling the Left

[The 30 Pound Snail Who Lives on Gar Lipow's Monitor]

On 12/18/05, Bitch | Lab <info at pulpculture.org> wrote:
> At 12:31 PM 12/18/2005, Carrol Cox wrote:
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> >Bitch | Lab wrote:
> > >
> > > have you ever noticed that, sometimes, it's the
> > > shock and horror of the response to those of us who don't toe the party
> > > line on this issue that poisons the wells at about the same time?
> >
> >And my claim is that the "Party Line," insofar as there is a "Party
> >Line," is to be found in the kneejerk responses to Chip.
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> i don't call anyone a prude here and rarely ridicule their views, but
> repeatedly, time after time, we are told we can't be leftists and feminists
> b/c of our views. people are just shocked, as if you have to agree that
> objectification is always and only bad and wrong. people just can't deal
> with the possibility that we actually have thought this through because, in
> fact, the mainstream feminist position, taught in women's studies texts and
> classrooms, and in the public in general is that pornography is wrong,
> harmful to women and men, that it leads to violence and rape, that it
> degrades sexual relations between hetmen and women, bad, blah blah.
>
> even yoshie refuses to address us as we want to be called and calls us pro
> porn feminists! and yes, yoshie, i think that anytime anyone sneers at the
> sexual lives of other people, then they are sex negative. it's not about
> whether you like sex or not, it's about whether or not you hold a
> foundationalist, essentializing view of human sexuality.
>
> being told that you aren't a feminist, as chip suggested, is a whole LOT
> different than being ridiculed for having what some here feel are
> puritanical views.
>
> sex positive feminism is a minority view. i just flipped through my woman's
> studies text and there wasn't one reference to it in 10 of them. go surf
> around the major feminist blogs, alas, a blog, feministe, bitchphd,
> feministing. read the debates over hooker boots.
>
> recently bitchphd had to apologize for having an ad on her site for
> MSNBC.com's special on pornography. Gar tells me she's a sex positive
> feminist. apparently not, if an ad like that (which was hardly a big deal)
> was objectionable.
>

Probably should have said "calls herself" sex positive feminist.

A small data point on the Hustler/KKK comparison - I do know that
Hustler is  fairly popular among the local  Olympia Lesbian community.