--- Wojtek Sokolowski <sokol at jhu.edu> wrote: So instead, they are using a red herring and focusing on the second concept in the notion of evolution - that of natural selection. That concept is not only non-essential for arguing the existence of the creator. In fact, the concept of the natural order of perfection was used by Thomas Aquinas to prove the existence of a god - in fact this is his "fourth proof" followed by the "fifth proof" which is basically the precursor of the ID argument - the nature of the universe is too complex to be created by a chance http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/aquinas3.html
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Note that the fifth proof (and modern ID concepts _and_ mechanistic ideas of evolution presuppose that the only ways you can get order out of chaos are either an intelligent designer or some chance mechanism. It presupposes a mechanistic, dead universe. This is a very Christian and post-Christian notion alien to the pre-Christian world, where you have self-guided forms bursting out all over the place.
Heidegger talked about this kind of thing a lot.
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