kelley
At 02:20 PM 2/19/2005, amadeus amadeus wrote:
>XXVIII:
>But I remained to look at the crowd, and I saw a thing
>that I should be afraid, without more proof, only to
>tell, were it not that conscience reassures me, the
>good companion that emboldens man under the hauberk of
>feeling himself pure. I saw in truth, and still I
>seent to see it, a trunk without a head going along
>even as the others of the dismal flock were going. And
>it was holding the cut-off head by its hair, dangling
>in hand like a lantern. And it gazed on us, and said,
>"O me!" Of itself it was making for itself a lamp; and
>they were two in one, and one in two. How it can be He
>knows who so ordains. When it was right at the foot of
>the bridge, it lifted its arm high with the whole
>head, in order to approach its words to us, which
>were, "Now see the dire punishment, thou that,
>breathing, goest seeing the dead: see thou if any
>other is great as this! And that thou mayest carry
>news of me, know that I am Bertran de Born,[1] he that
>gave to the young king the ill encouragements. I made
>father and son rebellious to each other. Ahithophel
>did not more with Absalom and with David by his wicked
>goadings. Because I divided persons so united, I bear
>my brain, alas! divided from its source which is in
>this trunk. Thus retaliation is observed in me.
>
>[1] The famous troubadour who incited the young Prince
>Henry to rebellion against his father, Henry II. of
>England. The prince died in 1183.
>
>--- Carrol Cox <cbcox at ilstu.edu> wrote:
>
> > > donkey dung. we don't understand provacateurs.
> > thus, putting them in the
> > > same textual space as .....n, ..g, etc. isn't
> > about understanding
> >
> > Kelley, how much prior agreement do you need with
> > others for it to be
> > worthwhile to engage in debate with them?
> >
> > One of my criteria is that I will not debate with
> > anyone who ascribes
> > motives to others in the debate. Those subject to
> > that fatal error
> > divide roughly into two groups. One of the groups
> > (the majority) only
> > commit this error some of the time; other times they
> > respond to
> > arguments rather than people.
> >
> > Others simply do not know how to carry on a
> > discussion without analyzing
> > the motives of their opponents. These people belong
> > in the category of
> > those who are companions of Bertran de Born. I don't
> > have time just now
> > to look up which Canto of Dante's de Born occupies.
> >
> > Carrol
> >
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