[lbo-talk] Re: poor, white and pissed

Turbulo at aol.com Turbulo at aol.com
Wed Feb 23 16:59:54 PST 2005


I thought you were arguing that liberals don't get workers' votes because the workers perceive them as a hostile class interest. In that case, why did so many workers vote for an even more hostile class interest?

Much of what Woj writes is tinged with too much misanthropy for my taste, but he's got a point about resentment of the urban(e) and wussy. A lot of American populism's historical hostility to Wall Street was powered by a resentment of city slickers - rootless cosmopolitans, if you will - which is why anti-Semitism has been its frequent travelling companion. That's a lot different story from yours.

Doug

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You've misunderstood my point. I wasn't trying to explain why so many white workers voted for Bush. That's another subject. I was questioning the premise of Joe Bageant's article, viz. that liberals can be moved to identify more with workers if only they had a better understanding of their reality, which Bageant is trying to supply them with. Tom Frank, in "What's the Matter With Kansas?" seems to think that Democrats are genuinely striving to advance workers' interests, but are just a little slow or irresolute. I was suggesting that liberals, due to the class position their ideology represents, don't necessarily want to identify with workers or lead them to fight in their own interests. They may favor a more enlightened social and economic regime, but one in which the class order remains essentially intact.



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