[lbo-talk] Missing the Marx

Charles Brown cbrown at michiganlegal.org
Sun Jan 2 12:03:16 PST 2005


Brian Charles Dauth :

Charles, you have in e-mails to the list supported Castro's repression of queers saying that it was necessary. So at least in one area you do support repression.

^^^^^ CB: That sounds like a paraphrase or abbreviation. What exactly did I say, and what was the context ?

I do hail repression of counter-revolutionaries and expropriation of the powers-that-be. Universal freedom will be after there are no more capitalist states. The idea is that the socialist state does not whither away until there are no more capitalist states

In this regard, protests of repression in Cuba must take account of the imperialist giant ready to use any pretext to pounce. This is especially true of Yankees, like u. Otherwise , you basically sign your cause up with the bourgeoisie. Did u take a vote on that ? ^^^^^^


> The repression under communism over 70 years is miniscule
compared to the repression of the market through 300 years.

There should be 0% tolerance for repression. And queer repression under communism was huge (communists in the West were also horrific homophobes). As a non-queer you may regard this repression as miniscule, but the historical record proves otherwise.

^^^^^ CB: We are comparing repressions between societies under the market and societies under centralized planning. The evidence is _not_ that there was more repression of queers under centralized planning.


> The market _is_ a form of private property. No private
property, no market.

Do markets only appear in capitalist economies? Is there such a thing as a positive/progressive formulation of a market?

^^^^^ CB: It is only in capitalist economies that the market dominates production and exchange. Starting about 8,000 years ago, there was production for exchange, a "market", on the periphery of societies wherein the main modes of production and exchange were not a market.

See this thread on whether there is a positive/progressive formulation of a market.



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