[lbo-talk] Stop Flogging the Dead Donkey and Own the Power of a Spoiler

[R]

At 05:11 PM 1/12/2005, you wrote:
>Jon Johanning wrote:
>
>>Nevertheless, what I want to point out is that the Kerry voters did vote 
>>against Bush. A very obvious point, but people who are now crying, "Woe 
>>is us! The Bushies' juggernaut is overwhelming the world!" are being a 
>>trifle defeatist, I think. There are plenty of Americans who strongly 
>>disagree with Shrub's agenda, and it looks likely that he will not get 
>>much of it passed in Congress, given that his power as a lame duck will 
>>inevitably decline, and it's not that impressive even now, as Doug noted. 
>>Presidents do have stronger powers in foreign policy than domestic, but 
>>he's running out of military punch to run the world, and his floundering 
>>in Iraq shows that he doesn't even know how to use what he has.
>
>Which stage of mourning is the ABB movement in this week? Anger? More denial?

good point, chuck0.   to add to your categories, allow me to suggest 20/20 
hindsight.  i was reading some appraisals -- if one can call them that -- 
in The Nation (i received a free copy) of the ABB movement and other 
election lunacy.   peans of regret and i'll never do that again from a few 
sources in the Nation and elsewhere.

what is stupid now was just as stupid then.  and how many still resist, 
deny, ignore, etc., the fact that vote machines were rigged.  (was john 
kerry in the country when jones, boxer, black caucus members, challenged 
the vote?)

yet, i'm sure crypto rightwing twits like nathan newman will tell us to 
support the democrats (who don't even support themselves) while we wait, 
sucking our thumbs, for a great grassroots movement to emerge courtesy of 
show liberals at moveOn, ACT, trade unions, etc.

R


>The arguments for further participation in the electoral process are more 
>hollow than ever. Am I the only leftist here who rolls his/her eyes when I 
>hear ABB liberals scream about how evil the second term of Bush II will 
>be? If you folks really think that Bush II Part II is going to be that 
>terrible, why aren't you in the fucking streets like they were in the 
>Ukraine? Otherwise, some of us are just going to laugh in your faces. The 
>Democrats = the Republicans. That should be abundantly obvious by now.
>
>Is it going to be revolution or more Moveon whine and cheese parties?
>
>Chuck
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