[lbo-talk] Re: London - Amnesia Express

[Joseph Wanzala]

- at the time I posted the article, the neo-nazi angle was as plausible a 
scenario as anything else since the report you cite had not yet hit the 
papers. I also wonder why many 'leftists' (especially of the lbo-talk 
variety) seem eager to latch onto any official story rather than trying to 
figure things out for themselves. The new suicide bomber twist seems to be 
at variance with prior information about warnings to the Israeli embassy 
before the attacks (see link below) if this was a motley crew of disaffected 
youth from Leeds, as opposed to a terror network, by what methods were the 
police monitoring them? Also the use of timing devices which would seem 
unecessary for a suicide bomb operation. In the interests of fairness, I 
would suggest that people wait until the dust settles before deciding that 
we know what happened in London.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050707/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_britain_explosions_1

We have a series of reports coming forward, which do not necessarily add up. 
Perhaps they will in time, but so far, the investigation is ongoing.

Joe W.


>From: Simon Huxtable <jetfromgladiators at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
>To: lbo-talk at lbo-talk.org
>Subject: [lbo-talk] Re: London - Amnesia Express
>Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:17:29 +0100 (BST)
>
> > Unless you know something everybody else does not,
> > the question of who
> > carried out the bombings in london remains a
> > mystery. The idea that they
> > might have been carried out by right-wing extremists
> > is, at this point as
> > plausible a scenario as anything else.
>
>No, it is not. Here is the evidence against it:
>(from http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4676861.stm)
>
># All four suspects were British nationals of
>Pakistani descent. Three of the four were from West
>Yorkshire
>
># All four were captured on CCTV at King's Cross
>station, wearing rucksacks, shortly before 0830 BST on
>the morning of the attacks. The footage was found on
>Monday night
>
># One suspect was reported missing by his family. Some
>of his belongings were found on the bombed Number 30
>bus in Tavistock Square
>
># Property linked to a second man was found at the
>scene of the Aldgate/Liverpool Street Tube bomb
>
># Items belonging to a third suspect were found at the
>site of the Aldgate/Liverpool Street and Edgware Road
>Tube bombs
>
># It is very likely the three men whose belongings
>were found at the bomb scenes are dead, police sources
>say.
>
>
> > I think it is *your* smarts that are in question
> > here Doug, and not only
> > your smarts, but your sense of fairness and
> > impartiality. The fact is: we
> > don't know who did it. Why are you acting as though
> > we do?
>
>What does 'fairness' mean in this context? Fairness
>towards what or whom? Fairness towards the evidence?
>On the basis of the evidence I cited above, I think it
>is fairer to conclude that the bombing was perpetrated
>by British Muslims and not Neo-Nazis.
>
>The latter claim seems to be predicated on the fact
>that the far right has perpetrated atrocities in the
>past and therefore might had done so again. It might
>be argued that Islamic terrorism has been blamed on
>'past form' too. But the evidence overwhelmingly
>points to it as the cause.
>
>You may have cited the Madsen piece for interest, but
>the only interest for me is that it's not particularly
>useful.
>
>So, I would ask what limits does your fairness stretch
>to? Which ideas can be considered 'implausible'? On
>what grounds can the decision between plausible and
>implausible be made?
>
> > p.s. as we speak, Scotland Yard investigators are
> > busily 'conspiracy
> > theorising' about who may have carried out these
> > attacks. (that is what they
> > do, in case you didn't know)
>
>I'm afraid I do place more trust in the Scotland Yard
>investgators than someone sitting at home like Madsen
>who seems to have been watching the events on TV
>wearing a paper hat with 'detective' written on in
>biro.
>
>Simon
>
>
>
>
>
>
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