[lbo-talk] Re: [NEWSROOM-L] catholics and socialism

Mycos mycos at shaw.ca
Sat Jul 16 21:55:53 PDT 2005


Someone said wrote:
> go to google, and ask
> "can a Catholic be a socialist?"
> the first item is an amusing 1912 10 cent pamphlet, which also asks: Can a Catholic be a Democrat or a Republican"
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Is this the one you mean? Because my Google and your Google apparently don't Google alike....

http://www.marysyellowstone.com/articles/output.php?dir=CW/Socialism_v_Church.htm&end=2

Anyhow yes, what an utterly absurd piece of s**t that thing is, not to mention explaining 'oh so much' about the the seeming disconnect between the words and the actions of the Church. My bloody god....

Excerpt: "What is meant by the right of private property? It is the right in private individuals of perfectly disposing of a corporeal thing unless these individuals are prohibited by the law. This definition was made by Bartoldi. It is commonly accepted by other jurists and also by the great scholastics such as Molina, Lessius and Lugo.

Another definition which is widely received is: The right of disposing, for one's own advantage, of the utility and the substance of a thing, within the limits placed by a just law. This definition more clearly distinguishes between the dominion of property and the dominion of jurisdiction, which latter includes the right to dispose not for individual advantage but for the general welfare. It also more explicitly explains what is meant by disposing perfectly. It mentions not only the utility but also the substance of a thing.

With these definitions is in accord a celebrated description of the right of property by an anonymous Roman jurist: "Jus utendi et abutendi quatemus juris ratio patitur -- the right of using and abusing in so far as the law allows." Here abusing means consuming, and not abusing in the bad sense,[whatever you can convince yourself of there, greedmeister (mycos)], there and also refers not only to the utility but to the substance of a thing. As the reader may have noted, the definitions accepted by Catholics all limit this right by laws for the common good.

*These definitions do not limit the right of property by the extreme necessities of others. Such necessities rarely occur.*"

And it goes on to explain why they shouldn't have to "give it up" from there.... Wow ! and it just gets worse from there.....just amazing....

And thanks Bill, that's one of the most revealing documents I've seen on paper in a long time. You'd think it would be locked away in the Vatican on a "need to see" basis only or something. --

Gary Williams

"Over himself, over his own body and mind, the individual is sovereign." - John Stuart Mill

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