With that fuller explanation, of the difference between the Eugene, Oregon GA and the GA in the UK, which no one disputes has dodgy associations, I retract.
Doesn't make the Eugene, Oregon primitivists around Zerzan attractive but, that is a matter for anarchists, post-left, anti-left, whatevah, to decide.
Some material, btw, on Junger and a circle of Conservative Revolutionaries conversations with Lukacs in the late 20's can be found in, "The Passing of an Illusion, " by Francois Furet. Michael Pugliese
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: anarchyseries at riseup.net <anarchyseries at riseup.net> Date: Jun 2, 2005 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] on Nick Griffin & GA To: Michael Pugliese <michael.098762001 at gmail.com> Cc: Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com>, Chip Berlet <c.berlet at publiceye.org>, collective at greenanarchy.org
Michael, Doug, Chip (and I am now CC'ing the Green Anarchy collevtive - rot'N, please read from bottom!!)
1) Yes, I signed it as "Nick Griffin" because that's my sense of humor. I was going to sign the name of the guitarist of Skrewdriver, but Nick's was just too good to pass up. Of course, at the time, he had not been jailed. Almost everything in GA is signed under a pseudonym.
2) They're not writing you because they're probably not AWARE that you are slandering them on LBO. They probably don't even know what LBO is, as they think of themselves as anti-Leftist. I only found out about the LBO posting because of a Goggle search. Why should they know about it? What difference does it make if it's me writing it and not them?
3) Finally, you seem to have confused the EUGENE, OREGON, USA 'Green Anarchy' in question with one of the several other publications named somethinng similar - i do not know who Kessi is, but I am assuming he is associated with the old GREEN ANARCHIST in the UK - who indeed have had a tumoltuous history, with Richard Hunt splitting off in the early 90s to form the pro-fascist Alternative Green, and then the magazine splitting into two, both publishing under the same name, one edited by John Connor and the other by the Stephen Booth. To make matters more confusing, in the '90s, Stewart Home ran a canmpaign in the middle of the GANDALF (Green Anarchist and ALF) trial (falsely) slandering the post-Hunt 'Green Anarchist' as fascists. But all of this refers to a DIFFERENT publication, assumably the one this Kessi is/was associated with.
The Eugene 'Green Anarchy' publishes primitivist, insurrectionist & nihilist material, and its editorial collective does *not* include me, but does include John Zerzan, amongst others. Despite his preference for the 'lebensphilosophie' of Conservative Revolutionaries like Ernst Junger (who, btw, was a co-collaborator of Greorg Lukacs in the '20s - no surprise here, since it's the Frankfurt School, esp Adorno-Benjamin-Marcuse, that Zerzan's questioning of technology, progress and the totality come from), neither he nor them are fascists or have connections to facsist groups, or I would absolutely have no dealings with them. Again, I think they have shown themselves to be committed to anti-fascism by actively *soliciting* this article from me.
Please send a retraction to the LBO list and an apology to GA. If you email the GA address this is CC'ed to, they will confirm that the article was sent from this email address.
Sasha
Quoting Michael Pugliese <michael.098762001 at gmail.com>:
> Lemme get this str8. You wrote an article, and instead of attaching
> your own name or some joky pseudonym like Miss Ann Thropy or Auntie
> Christ, you sign it as Nick Griffin as a lark.
> Then you say you aren't a primitivist or on the editorial
> collective of Green Anarchy...so why aren't they writing me and
> lbo-talk?
> Green Anarchy, as many posts in the archives of the list Chip
> Berlet and I and a few dozen others a few yrs. ago started by Alain
> Kessi, "Right-Wing Influences on the Left, " (see esp. the posts by
> Dave Parks, a UK Trot), were on, documents many very dodgy
> associations and ideological confluences between Green Anarchy and
> Third Positionists.
> Michael Pugliese
>
>
> On 6/1/05, anarchyseries at riseup.net <anarchyseries at riseup.net> wrote:
> > Greetings LBO'ers!
> >
> > It has just come to my attention that a couple weeks ago one Michael
> Pugliese
> > has claimed on your well-known listserve that the anarcho-primitivist
> journal
> > 'Green Anarchy'published an article by Nick Griffin, the head of the racist
> > right-wing party the BNP. (see the thread below which I pulled from your
> list
> > archives)
> >
> > Now, it should be obvious to anyone who could read that the article was
> > a straight-up anti-fascist research piece, and Mr Griffin's name was used
> > as a joke.
> >
> > Incredibly, however, some people are using this piece of information to
> > smear 'Green Anarchy,' by falsely claiming that it was indeed the BNP's
> > Griffin. (in Michael Pugliese's own words: "The Green Anarchy piece was by
> > Griffin of the BNP.") GA told me that on other lists and discussion boards
> > people were using this to smear them with.
> >
> > The truth is, however, that it wasn't – and if anyone's in a position
> > to know, it's me, since I wrote the piece. In fact, I am queer,
> race-mixing,
> > jewish anarchist: it would be pretty hard to mistake me for a jailed
> > crypto-fascist authoritarian Party leader.
> >
> > In fact, 'Green Anarchy' - much to their credit - asked me to write the
> > article for them after someone known to them in Eugene, Oregon was outed as
> > being a National Anarchist. Michael Pugliese -- instead of wanting to alert
> > people to the danger that fascists (or more accurately, post-Third
> Positionists)
> > are cross-recruiting anarchists and Marxists -- has used my piece to smear
> the
> > primitivists, who /in turn have shown themselves to be staunch
> anti-fascists.
> > (Personally, I'm not interested in primitivism or insurrectionism and only
> > wrote for GA because they asked me to). Not just is this underhanded and
> > manipulative of Michael, it is disrupting our own anti-fascist work by
> > discrediting our attempts to warn people about a really-existing danger.
> >
> > I have no idea who this Michael Pugliese is, but he owes this list,
> > myself and 'Green Anarchy' a retraction and an apology.
> >
> > Sasha (aka Nick G)
> >
> > +/+/+
> >
> > Michael Pugliese michael.098762001 at gmail.com
> >
> > Would it have been authoritarian to draw attn. to and slam, the
> > "Green Anarchy" primitivists for printing Nick Griffin of the racist
> > BNP in issue #19 of their rag, from which this screed was drawn,
> > Chuck?
> >
> > Chuck0 chuck at mutualaid.org
> > Why don't you take it up with them? I'm not involved with Green
> > Anarchy.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > Etienne tim_boetie at fastmail.fm
> >
> > Erm, surely this article is by someone else who happens to be called
> > Nick Griffin? Why would the head of the BNP write an article warning
> > anarchists about fascists using anarchist-sounding ideas to recruit to
> > nationalist groups?
> >
> >
> > Michael Pugliese michael.098762001 at gmail.com
> > Wed May 18 14:07:26 PDT 2005
> >
> > Yes, click all the URL's. The Green Anarchy piece was by Griffin of
> > the BNP. The anarchist polemic vs. the Green Anarchy loons was in the
> > indymedia webpg.
> > ___________________________________
> > http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk
> >
>
>
> --
> Michael Pugliese
>
-- Michael Pugliese