and btw, this:
--- Similarly, Oxford University scientist Peter Atkins commented on our 1996 survey, "You clearly can be a scientist and have religious beliefs. But I don't think you can be a real scientist in the deepest sense of the word because they are such alien categories of knowledge." ---
goes right to my point in my exchange with martin. i think atkins is wrong about "real scientist" -- again, the issue is not what science is, but what you think *god* is -- but his point about alien categories of knowledge is precisely the point i was trying to make.
j
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