thank you, dennis, for that, and especially joanna, for introducing the thread...which has pressed some personal buttons, very hard, and made me wonder why...
until i remembered that it is nearly impossible, even here, to make a general statement, or a statement addressing an idea-concept-issue , without getting some form of response that paraphrases the words " why did you - or how dare you - say that about me"...
is puzzlement...
oh, and re the dissing implied in the label " fundie":
the euro greens ( german?) at one time in the past were calling themselves fundies and realos, to describe their political factions, and i wonder if joanna picked up the term from that?
still, like all of those labels put on people, by other people, and meant to disparage or demean, it's a no-no...
fs