Gar:
> Undesirable in terms of most imagined utopias are also static an end
> state. Because I think progress is possible - though unlikely, an
> "end state" for society is to me undesirable.
good point. But I don't see why a utopia couldn't be dynamic. Most utopian novelists lack the imagination, it's true, but the "recipe for the cookshops of the future" that Charlie Andrews sketches in his CAPITALISM AND EQUALITY is dynamic.
BTW, I see a utopia as simply a goal. It would change as people debate it and propose new ones.
-- Jim Devine "Segui il tuo corso, e lascia dir le genti." (Go your own way and let people talk.) -- Karl, paraphrasing Dante.