[lbo-talk] the Green Nazi platform

[amadeus amadeus]

The point is that green theory AND practice are not
incompatible with a fascist program, and the former
can easily serve the latter to the uninitiated and
(possibly very) angry. An overlapping goal here, as
someone else in the thread mentioned, is the exclusion
and often suppression of working class politics. This
is not to say that there aren't greens, such as the
Green Party in the US, who are working at least in
theory in the interest of labor. But what's
frightening is when we hear various types of
environmentalists railing against the excesses of
working people and the overpopulation of the third
world.
--adx
--- Andy F <andyf274 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> --- amadeus amadeus <amadeus482000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > particularly disturbing that the sierra club has a
> > whole wing dedicated to "population" issues.
> > preserve
> > our pristine motherland. it's of note, as
> discussed
> > in
> > _Food First_ by Lappe, that is was the
> Rockefellers
> > who first expounded on the notion of
> > "overpopulation".
> 
> I've rarely heard green arguments about
> overpopulation
> in reference to the US in particular.  What's
> particularly Nazi about the notion of human
> overpopulation?  Mostly I hear it in terms of
> wealthier humans being a bigger environment burden.
> 
> --somebody else wrote:
> > > Not to disparage environmentalists all together
> > but
> > > there seems to be underlying things that aren't
> > > quite fascist, but close---usually under the
> guise
> > > of "overpopulation" complaints (will they
> boycott
> > > their friend's baby shower?  Doubt it.  But they
> > > like the abstract notion that if dumb poor folks
> > > stop fucking, then all will be well)
> 
> Which "they" are you talking about?
> 
> > > Then there is the nationalist feeling that those
> > > dang dirty 'developing' nations are rootin'
> > tootin'
> > > pollutin'...
> 
> Actually that's a common and spurious argument
> against
> Kyoto.
> 
> I'll grant there's a utopian streak in some green
> writings (unlike anything lefty), but the whole
> "Hitler was a vegetarian and Nazis liked forests"
> thing is lame, at least as a comment on greens.  You
> might as well suggest that VW lovers have a
> eugenicist
> streak.
> 
> I bet Hitler loved his mother.  Surely *you* don't
> love your mother *too*??
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> 
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