[lbo-talk] the Green Nazi platform

[amadeus amadeus]

hi ravi,
I don't see that anyone has excluded an attitude of
respect for the environment, or exchanged it outright
for the primacy of this or that ideology. I think any
reasonable leftist would recognize the protection of
the environment as an important social benefit.
best,
adx
--- ravi <gadfly at exitleft.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-03-24 at 16:17 -0800, joanna bujes
> wrote:
> > ravi wrote:
> > 
> > > but rather: be wary of
> > >the illogic of certain arguments based on nature.
> 
> >
> > Yes, exactly. "Nature" is another kind of "God" --
> can be used as a 
> > synonym for clean power.  
> > 
> 
> well, on this list "marx" seems to be a synonym for
> god ;-). kidding
> aside, my point is that fear of the possibility of
> sloppy thinking
> cannot in itself be reason to exclude an attitude of
> respect towards
> nature and other creatures.
> 
> 
> > >environmentalism has nothing to do, AFAIK, with
> the naturalistic
> > >fallacy. to address them conjointly is, IMHO, an
> act of throwing the
> > >baby out with the bathwater.
> > >
> > I'm not asking that they be addressed conjointly
> -- still, why do people 
> > get so passionate about protecting trees...who
> could not care less that 
> > men and women are being ground into powder by the
> same system?
> 
> 
> recent threads on this list have shown that marxist
> (insert better word
> here if available) leftists are dismissive of other
> causes
> (environmental issues, animal rights, according to
> marta, doyle, et al,
> the disability rights movement, etc). as i mentioned
> in previous
> threads, solidarity is possible when we share some
> core values and ways
> of thinking, not just some sort of shared identity.
> 
> your question has been addressed here and elsewhere:
> yes, there is a
> yuppie (substitute whatever more derogatory term you
> want to use here,
> e.g liberal) environmental element that romanticises
> its activism and
> refuses to broaden its analysis. why are we unable
> to reach this
> blinkered crowd? why do they refuse to extend their
> compassion to fellow
> humans? we could blame their self-indulgence: you
> can drive your hybrid
> volvo (when available) to be an environmentalist and
> still participate
> in the pleasures of the capitalist system. or we
> could blame the
> armchair activism of the western left (which is not
> to malign those who
> spend their lives organizing, protesting, etc). i am
> not sure i know the
> answer.
> 
> but it seems, there are other segments of the left
> that insist on the
> primacy of their ideology, their analysis, sometimes
> to the exclusion of
> all else. what are we to say of them?
> 
> 	--ravi
> 
> 
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