[lbo-talk] Rhizomatic Rioting: France vs US

joanna 123hop at comcast.net
Fri Nov 11 11:07:32 PST 2005


I seem to remember that riots in the U.S. did spread in the late sixties -- at about the time that Malcom X claimed to be able to start one anywhere he chose, in this country.

joanna

Thomas Seay wrote:


>Since the topic of rhizomes has appeared here
>recently, I thought it might be interesting to think
>about the current riots in France and compare them to
>riots that have happened in the US.
>
>One thing that occurs to me- correct me if you think
>that I am wrong- is that when riots have occured in
>recent times in the US, they have not spread in a
>significant way the way they did in France. I
>remember after the LA riots there were some actions in
>San Francisco (maybe in other places,too...I dont
>recall) but certainly no where near the intensity of
>Los Angeles and they certainly did not persist for as
>long as they have in France.
>
>I dont think this phenomenon can be attributed to the
>fact that there is a stronger Left in France. In
>fact, the organized Left (even the far-Left) seems to
>have had little or no influence on the recent rioting.
>The actors in the French rioters are fresh on the
>political scene.
>
>Is it that the level of frustration is higher? Is it
>that the US system has been dealing with this longer
>and is more sophisticated in co-opting, funneling such
>anger?
>
>You know there was the saying during the period of
>bourgeois revolutions in Europe that "when Paris
>sneezes, Europe catches cold". It would appear that
>this continues to be true in some respects, but why is
>it no longer the case in the US? Struggles here,
>despite the existence of time and distance erasing
>technologies, seem to remain so localized.
>
>-Thomas
>
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>Erich Jantsch - "Design for Evolution: Self-Organization and Planning in the Life of Human Systems"
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