[lbo-talk] Re: The Civilian Casualty Fable (100K dead in Iraq?)

Michael Karadjis mkaradjis at hn.vnn.vn
Mon Nov 28 07:55:07 PST 2005


Thanks for sending these comparisons Yoshie, particularly the one to Bosnia. Yes, the author of "The Civilian Casualty Fable" www.logictimes.com/civilian.htm employs remarkably similar methods to leading Bosnia genocide revisionist Ed Herman and others of his ilk. Just as this right-wing clown here suggests that a large proportion of males among the dead in Iraq proves they were not civilans but soldiers, so Herman uses the same argument re the slaughter in a couple of afternoons of at least 8000 Muslim civilians in Srebrenica (let's leave aside for the moment the even more vile methods he uses to pretend there were only a handful killed anyway)

All in all the disgusting revisionism of this "Logic Times" piece in attempting to downplay the slaughter unleashed by the US-led crime against humanity in Iraq bears a remarkable resemblance, whether in method, intent or callousness, to the "Living Marxism"-Parenti-Pat Buchanan-Diana Jonstone-Jared Israel-Herman-Bodansky-James Jatras disgusting revisionsim on the Balkans.

And of course, as Jared Israel - who some of the above are perhaps now a little embarassed about past association with - will tell us, the Zionist killers didn't kill many people in Jenin either ...

Thanks again Yoshie

Michael Karadjis ----- Original Message -----
> From: Yoshie Furuhashi <furuhashi.1 at osu.edu>
> Subject: [lbo-talk] The Civilian Casualty Fable (100K dead in Iraq?)


> What the author of "The Civilian Casualty Fable" <http://
> www.logictimes.com/civilian.htm> fails to understand, concerning its
> objection to Iraq Body Count, is not so much statistics as the nature
> of war in Iraq. The author writes that "This study reports 24,865
> civilian deaths in the first two years of the Iraq War, an apparent
> ringing endorsement of the "Iraq in chaos" position. But a curious
> statistical anomaly jumps right off page one: over 81% of the
> civilian casualties are men. Even stranger, over 90% of civilian
> casualties are adults in a country with a disproportionate percentage
> of the population under 18 (44.5%)." Are such facts really strange,
> though?
>
> The casualty profile in Iraq that Iraq Body Count compiled resembles
> what you see in those of many counter-insurgency wars and civil
> wars. Let's take one example from each type of warfare:
>
> <blockquote>Case Study: The Anfal Campaign (Iraqi Kurdistan), 1988
>
> The most detailed investigation, conducted by HRW/ME, tabulated the
> number of "disappeared" from the various stages of Anfal, based on
> field interviews with some 350 survivors. The organization gathered
> the names of 1,255 men, 184 women, and 359 children -- "only a
> fraction of the numbers lost during Anfal." This would suggest that
> some 87 percent of the adults "disappeared," all of whom were
> apparently executed, were male; and that about 70 percent of all
> those who "disappeared" were "battle-age" males. (See Iraq's Crime of
> Genocide, pp. 266-68.)
>
> <http://www.gendercide.org/case_anfal.html></blockquote>
>
> <blockquote>Case Study: Bosnia-Herzegovina
>
> [T]he overwhelming weight of testimony and recorded evidence suggests
> a heavy preponderance of "battle-age" males among the dead --
> probably over 80 percent. One clue can be gleaned from the lists of
> missing persons from the Bosnian conflict. The International
> Committee of the Red Cross has noted that "the majority of missing
> persons [in Bosnia-Herzegovina] are men ... Of the approximately
> 18,000 persons registered by the ICRC in Bosnia-Herzegovina as still
> missing in connection with the armed conflict that ended there in
> 1995, 92% are men and 8% are women." (ICRC, "The Impact of Armed
> Conflict on Women", 6 March 2001.)
>
> <http://www.gendercide.org/case_bosnia.html></blockquote>
>
> The assumption that women and men, minors and adults, must
> necessarily be represented among civilian casualties in numbers
> proportionate to their numbers in the population as a whole is a
> mistaken one.
>
> Yoshie Furuhashi
> <http://montages.blogspot.com>
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> <http://mrzine.org>
>



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