[lbo-talk] more on the econ Nobel

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I don't know if it's a "late" poem -- I think the
conensus view is that after the Sonnets and the two
published poems, all from the 1990s, pretty much, WS
hung up his hat as poet. So I don't know when the P&
the T is typically dated, but I'd be surprised if it
was much after 1600. It's pretty well accepted as
canonical. It's included in every Collected Works that
I know. No doubt there are serious scholars who have
raised questions. jks

--- John Adams <jadams01 at sprynet.com> wrote:


> -----Original Message-----
> From: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at uiuc.edu>
> 
> > Even more impressively, the
> philosopher John Finnis has decoded a late and
> obscure
> Shakespeare poem (untitled, but usually called THE
> PHOENIX AND
> THE TURTLE) and shown that it celebrates a Catholic
> woman, Ann
> Line, who was executed for religion by Elizabeth.
> 
> Hasn't there long been controversy (mainstream, not
> fringe) over whether this poem is really
> Shakespeare? I'm recalling commentary to that effect
> in Hubler and maybe Ault--anthologies, not critical
> studies, I grant you, but good ones. I'm thinking it
> had an odd provenance. My memory of it, which is
> weak--and that tells you something there,
> perhaps--is that it did not read like Shakespeare
> the poet. (While my command of the plays is spotty,
> the poetry I know pretty well.)
> 
> As to Shakespeare's sources, I think Neil Gaiman
> does as good a job as any of accounting for them.
> They're total fiction, of course--what else would
> you expect?
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