[lbo-talk] Re: working class?

Bill Bartlett billbartlett at dodo.com.au
Thu Oct 20 07:22:30 PDT 2005


At 2:54 AM -0700 20/10/05, Mike Ballard wrote:


>Working class people own their skills which they sell
>on the labour market to an employer for a wage. Non-working class people can
>sell their skills and time as well e.g. an independent tailor or an
>independent
>doctor. They are not working class because they own/ they are paid for the
>product of their labour, in this case a service.

Where do you get this bullshit? A piece-rate worker in a sweat-shop gets paid according to the product of her labour. What has that got to do with the price of tea in China? If she isn't working class then what is she?


> They are not selling their
>skills and time to an employer who will then own the goods and/or services of
>their labour.

Of course they are. You are making an absurd fetish out of the difference between being a bricklayer being paid by the hour for laying bricks, or getting paid according to the number of bricks laid. Either way, in substance, the bricklayer sells his labour power. Either way, the labourer's relationship to the means of production is the same, either way they have to work for a living.

Bill Bartlett Bracknell Tas



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