> Chuck, I was fully with you up to this point. You still think it can happen
> here if "we" only work a bit harder, don't you? Let it go, Chuck. It will
> not happen here. These people are beyond hope. They will rather sink with
> the ship than move to the second class to save it.
That's where you and I disagree. I want to do something. I think things can be changed. I like to win and expect to win.
I understand your position, but I want to hear ideas from people who believe that the situation can be changed.
Chuck