[lbo-talk] Liberal imperialism

Thomas Seay entheogens at yahoo.com
Tue Sep 27 08:40:47 PDT 2005


--- Nathan Newman <nathanne at nathannewman.org> wrote: Those elites are getting
> mind-bogglingly wealthy at the
> expense of both Chinese and other workers around the
> world, but anyone
> fighting it is attacked by those who are still
> playing pretend that Chinese
> is somehow a socialist opponent of the US.

There are good people in the CPC, however, for the most part top members of the CPC are using their clout to make lots and lots of money off of the working class.

The burden is on Charles to prove to us that China is socialist (for me socialism means that the poor and working class are more than nominally in power). Sure, there is state-run industry run by so-called communist managers. But those "communist" are making a "killing" off the backs of the Chinese workers.

So, what's socialist about China Charles? And why shouldn't we support labor movements that sincerely organize on behalf of Chinese workers?

Thomas

<<We are at such a point in mankind's evolution where changed conditions invalidate all our policies that have been so successful even in the recent past, and that presumably have constituted the ideal response to a presumably unchanging and unchangeable human condition. No wonder we are stupefied and confused-but our mistake is the same which many cultures have made before us, namely to force a rigid model upon a fluid reality.

Erich Jantsch - "Design for Evolution: Self-Organization and Planning in the Life of Human Systems"

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