<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2523" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=jwanzala@hotmail.com href="mailto:jwanzala@hotmail.com">Joseph Wanzala</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=lbo-talk@lbo-talk.org href="mailto:lbo-talk@lbo-talk.org">lbo-talk@lbo-talk.org</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 12, 2005 3:05 PM</DIV> <DIV><B>Subject:</B> RE: [lbo-talk] Does Al Qaeda Exist?/(who is the hoaxer?)</DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>"Michael Dawson" <<A href="mailto:MDawson@pdx.edu">MDawson@pdx.edu</A>> wrote:<BR><BR>"I never said Al Qaeda was big and sophisticated organization.  For that<BR>matter, neither has the Bush Administration.  You hoaxers are simply making<BR>that up, based on the story about the cave complex."<BR>__________________________________<BR><BR>What Rumsfeld describes below looks to me like a big and sophisticated <BR>organization - what do you think? Do you still stand by your hoax-like <BR>statement above?:<BR><BR><A href="http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2001/n09242001_200109243.html">http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2001/n09242001_200109243.html</A><BR><BR>"Rumsfeld said he is not convinced that the Al Qaeda network acted alone. <BR>"There is no way in the world that a network can function as effectively <BR>over such a long period of time, with such excellent finances, and false <BR>passports, and all of the intelligence information they had to have, without <BR>them being fostered and facilitated and assisted and financed by states, and <BR>by businesses, and by nongovernmental organizations, and by corporations," <BR>he said. "It is a large network."<BR><BR>Rumsfeld said the U.S. military is positioning forces around the world. <BR>"This is not an Afghan problem," he said. "This is a worldwide problem of <BR>terrorist networks. And let there be no doubt about it, the Al Qaeda network <BR>is in at least 60 countries, and they are just one of many networks."<BR><BR>- Joe W.<BR><BR><BR>~~~</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think it sounds like Rummy believes AQ has a major backer (government).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think it's us. (The U.S.)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In a nutshell, I think UBL is doing a better job of providing work for the</DIV> <DIV>average American than the current administration. I'd vote AQ, all the way!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Baggage Screening alone must be employing 10... 100 times more "average </DIV> <DIV>Americans" than it did 10 years ago. And that's not even getting into the </DIV> <DIV>"Mother of all job markets to come", the police/prison/law enforcement </DIV> <DIV>complex. Homeland Insecurity...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Osama couldn't be doing a better job of driving our economy even if he wasn't </DIV> <DIV>*still* working for the CIA/Military. The perfect excuse to run amuck all over </DIV> <DIV>that area of the world and stir up the shit so we can skim the profits of the top </DIV> <DIV>(the corruption rises to the top.). Of course it's a short term/mid term strategy,</DIV> <DIV>with a *lot* of long term risk, but that's OK because it's the End Times anyway!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now if only Saddam had cooperated with us... NOT nationalized</DIV> <DIV>the oilfields, militarily softened up Iran for US oil interests...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We coulda been a contender... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Instead America is the "shlemazel" to UBL's "Shlemiel", and there isn't</DIV> <DIV>a WMD in sight.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>L</DIV> <DIV> </DIV></BODY></HTML>