<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1"> <title></title> </head> <body> We weren't talking about sexual harrassment, we were talking about consensual sex between grownups. There's a real issue as to whether consensual sex can occur between "teachers" and "students"...but then there's a question as to whether consensual sex can occur between any two people related by a power relation. Dworkin's alleged definition of intercourse as "rape" hinges on this perception. Students and teachers at the college level are both adults and can make  informed decisions about sex. I'm not saying sex between teachers/students at the college level is not a problem, I'm just saying that the category of "teacher" and "student" only partly define men and women, and that there are circumstances in which their humanity and sexuality should rightfully trump these other, insitutionally-defined categories. I also think it would be wise to wait till class is over. There are legal definitions of rape and harrassment, and these should hold and apply whether you're a teacher, student, fireman, nurse, electrician, etc. Outside of that, consensual acts between adults are just that. I completely understand that sexual relations with students is considered to be one of the perks of academic employment and are enjoyed as such by many. That doesn't mean that sexual relations between students and teachers are only about that. Joanna Michael Dawson wrote: <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid41F9F1780071B8FA@relay0.sea.eschelon.com%3E%20(added%20by%0D%0A%09postmaster@eschelon.com)"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">From: joanna </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">I understand about the power relations. I do. I'm </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">not saying it's not </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">an issue. I'm just not sure that it's as cut and </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">dry as you make it </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">out to be. </pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">Agreed. If you dont meet them at work or school, where are you going to meet them? There are so few public spaces in the United States. Of course, then there is match.com....the Internet is about the only public space left. </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> Pardon the pun, but tough titty, dude! I disagree with Joanna. It's actually more cut and dried than Snit put it. If you sexually harass a student, you are just daring the student to sue the living shit out of the school for failure to supervise. It is a job condition, and a good one. If you want to meet people to nail in academia, wait your turn, or nail your co-workers like everybody else. ___________________________________ <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk">http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk</a> </pre> </blockquote> </body> </html>