<div>Joanna:</div> <div> </div> <div>Dumping on students? I was explaining why I quit teaching. You might have a case if I stayed around and griped; I didn't. I got out.  I never looked back, even when I discovered that I'd lost the three most salient reasons to stay in academia: June, July and August. </div> <div> </div> <div>For academics who are teachers first, more power to them. It wasn't me, and I found out when I was still young enough to change careers. </div> <div> </div> <div>Fini</div> <div> </div> <div>Mike Hirsch<br><br> </div> <div><span class="gmail_quote">On 10/18/05, <b class="gmail_sendername">Michael Pugliese</b> <<a href="mailto:michael.098762001@gmail.com">michael.098762001@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">On 10/18/05, Dennis Redmond <<a href="mailto:dredmond@efn.org">dredmond@efn.org</a>> wrote:<br>> Joanna: <br>><br>> > Man, I hate it when profs dump on students. Sudents are students.<br>> > They're big kids, just hardly starting to disentangle themselves from<br>> > their parents, while looking into the looming abyss of the 9-5. <br>> ><br>> > C'mon.<br>><br>> Hear, hear. What's easy for we professors and teachers -- reading tons of<br>> texts, picking apart arguments, deciphering Wall Streetese -- is damn<br>> difficult for students. It's especially tough on students who don't have <br>> accumulated cultural capital, e.g. are the first in their family to go to<br>> college, female students, students of color, etc.<br>><br>> -- DRR<br><br>  Well, I'll never forget in my senior yr. at UCSC in a great class <br>taught by Wally Goldfrank, where we read both volumes of Wallerstein's<br>MWS that had come out by then, along with alot of Samir Amin, Malcolm<br>Caldwell and Andre Gunder Frank, in one of the final sesions, a fellow <br>senior asked, "What is this Berlin Wall<br>you are talking about?"<br>  Russell Jacoby made a quip once in Telos riffing off of<br>interminable debates about the FROP<br><a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=organic+composition+of+capital+FROP"> http://www.google.com/search?q=organic+composition+of+capital+FROP</a><br>by saying that he felt like there was a declining rate of intelligence.<br>  Why back in the good old days of the 70's when I was growing up,<br>the kids knew Hendrix from Humble Pie. These days, the avg. 18 yr. old <br>thinks Limp Bizkit invented rock.Limp Bizkit, what a rotten name for a<br>band.<br>--<br>Michael Pugliese, middle aged fogey, gimme my Iggy Pop, Gang of Four,<br>Gun Club, The Fall, Sonic Youth noise<br><br>___________________________________ <br><a href="http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk">http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk</a><br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>________________________________________<br> `And these words shall then become<br>Like oppression's thundered doom<br>Ringing through each heart and brain,<br>Heard again -- again -- again--<br>`Rise like Lions after slumber<br>In unvanquishable number--<br>Shake your chains to earth like dew <br>Which in sleep had fallen on you--<br>Ye are many -- they are few.'<br>--------Shelley, "The Mask of Anarchy:<br>Written on the Occasion of the Massacre at Manchester" [1819]<br><br>