<div> </div> <div>Comrade Joanna,</div> <div> </div> <div>I knew I was going to get into trouble. </div> <div> </div> <div>The answer to your question is simpler than you propose. The thing I find sexy is women. I'm not a brute. The more a woman wants/loves me, the better - that goes without saying. What we're talking about is my body and I don't, primarily, see my body as something that is desired; I see it as something that produces desire. </div> <div> </div> <div>As a heterosexual man, I don't really understand the desiring of a male body. I try to understand it, but only in the context that it helps me make a woman happy. It's not that a woman's desiring me isn't stimulating, it's just that my experience of sexuality (and, I dare say, the majority of my sex) has been desiring a large number of women, the majority of whom I have no relationship with at all. It doesn't mean that the equitable exchange of desire is not the ideal. It's just that desire for women is a constant fact of male heterosexuality and I don't think men and women have at all equitable fantasy lives. Therefore, I don't think men expect women to think about us the way we think about them. I think sexual desire in men is literally a different physical experience than it is in women, at least outside of sex itself. </div> <div> </div> <div>peace </div> <div> </div> <div>boddi</div> <div><br><br> </div> <div><span class="gmail_quote">On 11/16/05, <b class="gmail_sendername">joanna</b> <<a href="mailto:123hop@comcast.net">123hop@comcast.net</a>> wrote:</span> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"><br><br>boddi satva wrote:<br><br>>  On the other hand, women have to deal with the objectification male <br>> sexuality produces. I think the experience of being desired is just<br>> not what we think about. Therefore, we don't objectify our bodies in<br>> the same way that women do because we ourselves are not objectified <br>> (and if we are, we don't really care). So, indeed, "loving" our<br>> genitalia makes no more sense than loving our fingers or toes.<br>> Obviously, feeling desired is intensely erotic (and to be hoped for). <br>> I just think that it's not a big part of sexuality for most men.<br><br>That's fascinating. So, what is it you find sexier?<br><br>1. The fact that a woman wants you as much as you want her.<br>2. The fact that a woman doesn't want you....and must be conquered. <br>3. The fact that a woman doesn't want you as much as you want her...and<br>must be seduced.<br>4. Makes no difference; it doesn't matter what she feels.<br><br>Joanna<br><br><br>___________________________________<br> <a href="http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk">http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk</a><br></blockquote></div><br>