<div>Joanna:</div> <div> </div> <div>Dream away. I dream, too. But I don't pretend that my dream-world desires and my choices are universal--at least before getting my ducks in a row and doing a fair job of persuading people that it's in their interest to be on my side. What I am "tired of" is the kind of boutique posturing that pretends to be politics and that lives and festers among the single-state advocates. The fundamentalist right has its personal saviors, and the left its personalized politics. So you have your monogrammed line on the Palestinians. Good for you. It needn't be practical; it need not even be desirable or take into account the actual politics of the Palestinian factions. Or even know anything about the Israeli left. But above all, it is yours, no matter how much blood gets shed. Bantustan's, as Wojek said, are no solution--and if a Palestinian state isn't viable it will not lead to peace--and I've already argued that the acceptance of a Jewish state by the socialists in the 1930s was calamitous. It was the Yishuv's original sin. But a permanent civil war is the likely outcome of any short-run effort to impose a make-nice federal structure on the combatants.  So dream away, but please, don't talk in your sleep. </div> <div> </div> <div>As to Doug's observation that you need a loony left in order for the non-loonies to get a hearing. Fine. But it would be nice if more loonies ran a tighter ship. Some do. Some don't. <br><br> </div> <div><span class="gmail_quote">On 12/5/05, <b class="gmail_sendername">joanna</b> <<a href="mailto:123hop@comcast.net">123hop@comcast.net</a>> wrote:</span> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">You asked me what I support and I told you. Whether or not it's<br>realistic is another question. I'm very tired however of being told that <br>even the articulation of a dream is forbidden.<br><br>Joanna<br><br>Michael Hirsch wrote:<br><br>> Joanne:<br>><br>> Well and good. You support a unitary, secular state, repatriation and<br>> reparations. And I support revolutionary socialism, mutual aid and <br>> hanging the last capitalist with the entrails of the last priest. I<br>> do! No sarcasm intended. Wanna join me?<br><br><br><br>___________________________________<br><a href="http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk"> http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/mailman/listinfo/lbo-talk</a><br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>________________________________________<br>`And these words shall then become<br>Like oppression's thundered doom <br>Ringing through each heart and brain,<br>Heard again -- again -- again--<br>`Rise like Lions after slumber<br>In unvanquishable number--<br>Shake your chains to earth like dew<br>Which in sleep had fallen on you--<br> Ye are many -- they are few.'<br>--------Shelley, "The Mask of Anarchy:<br>Written on the Occasion of the Massacre at Manchester" [1819]<br><br>