On Apr 20, 2006, at 1:36 PM, info at pulpculture.org wrote:
> At 04:06 PM 4/20/2006, jthorn65 at sbcglobal.net wrote:
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>> So it's OK with you if I lash out against gays because this list
>> seldom, if ever, tackles Native American
>> issues? I hope not.
>>
>
> I stopped reading there John. It was patently evident that I
> disagreed with marta and not you or anyone else who argued with
> Marta. Try again with some semblance of an attempt to afford others
> the dignity you expect of your arguments. If you can't, do be a pal
> and let me know you can't be bothered.
>
> nearly everyone on this list ignores the issues marta raises --
> repeatedly. I've largely left this list because of precisely the
> kind of stuff we raised on this list for years -- and Marta has
> raised. And, of course, every single one of the men on this list,
> unless theyhave some reason (like being gay), ignore women's issues
> -- except for maybe Doug and B who actually forward items and
> initiate discussions that have to do with feminist issues.
>
> Instead of attacking her _without_ acknowledging what she said, you
> address it, respond to it. She's asking for recognition IN THIS
> THREAD and not one single person said, "YOu know, you're right the
> left does a shitty job of including the issue in conferences,
> publication, or even making sure services are available for
> disabled folks"
>
> Is it that hard to have said that to her? Instead of just attacking
> her ONLY?
>
> I'm talking basic communication decency.
>
> One thing that becomes starkly apparent, from not being on this
> list, is how much harder women trying to understand one another and
> implement practices to get a sense of what's going on. Truly
> difficult, emotional painful work at times to get outside of your
> own bubble. But they are doing it. You are pretty good at it John,
> but people on this list simply snipped out the parts of marta's
> text that were too troublesome to deal with. Symbolically, they
> simply snipped _her_ and what she thinks is important right out.
>
> We have more of a stake in the issues, as Marta said -- and
> disabled people have an even bigger stake. Her people are dying.
>
> Couldn't you fucking read the pain and despair and sadness in her
> posts? And you want to respond to that with rage at her or even
> "Oh, so disappointing"
>
> Instead of fucking recognizing the PAIN Marta feels. I'm freakin['
> crying as I type this knowing of the hurting people out there.
>
> Oh, here it comes: Carrol's lectures about how lefties shouldn't
> base their work on compassion or some horseshit.
>
>
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