[lbo-talk] Classless society [was: Dean Baker on immigration

joanna 123hop at comcast.net
Sat Apr 22 18:20:36 PDT 2006


I was having lunch with a friend and we were discussing the vagaries of the market, yadda, yadda. He tells me that another friend of his, a CPA, summed it all up in the observation "In this system, you get to make a lot of money. But you don't get to keep it."

Joanna

Carl Remick wrote:


>> From: Doug Henwood <dhenwood at panix.com>
>>
>> Carl Remick wrote:
>>
>>>> From: Wojtek Sokolowski <sokol at jhu.edu>
>>>>
>>>> ... hoping to eradicate these divisions and inequalities is
>>>> unrealistic,
>>>> utopian and naïve.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hoping to eradicate these divisions and inequalities may be
>>> unrealistic, utopian and naïve, but I would say it is also
>>> necessary. My premise is that offered by the philosopher Peggy
>>> Lee: "Is that all there is?"
>>
>>
>> It might be impossible to "eradicate" class divisions, but we sure
>> could reduce them. Lively unions, civilized welfare states, and
>> quality public education would take us pretty far down that road.
>
>
> Yes, but right now we're just standing by the road like the characters
> in "Waiting for Godot" -- what we're waiting for in this state of
> capitalist statis is anyone's guess. In college I remember some
> professor solemnly informing me that what was logically wrong with
> proposed utopias was the stagnancy of the societies envisioned. But
> that rap seems to me especially applicable to capitalism itself, whose
> supposed mutability and dynamism are basically illusory. IMO,
> capitalism is mere glorified entropy, a way of enshrining social
> relationships that are instrinsically primitive and unfair.
>
> I think humankind has both a moral and an intellectual obligation to
> try to evolve beyond capitalism. How tedious to imagine an endless
> future like the present.
>
> Carl
>
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