[lbo-talk] Re: Rabbi Michael Lerner using the Antisemitism card against the US Green party

BklynMagus magcomm at ix.netcom.com
Sat Feb 11 13:35:44 PST 2006


Dear List:

Andy writes:


> Isn't "Free Tibet" more of a lefty, or at least
liberal tropism?

The idea gets a lot of lip service, but little else.

Yoshie writes:


> That may be because China once was arguably
socialist . . .

I think that is part of it.


> . . . but the more likely reason today -- when
China is clearly capitalist and in some ways more capitalistic than many longer-standing capitalist countries -- is that the revolt of Tibetans against China began with the support of the CIA

Who cares how it started? Either the concept of Tibetan autonomy is correct or it isn't. Sometimes bad people/groups do the right thing for the wrong reasons. We have to judge the situation as it is on the ground today in 2006.


> Beyond that, the Marxist left generally thinks of
the struggle against the Israeli occupation as one of the most important struggles against US imperialism:

The problem is the left gets selective about what imperialism it is against. In my opinion the left should oppose all imperialisms.


> . . . but from the Presbyterian Church USA. That's
probably in large part because Palestinian Christians worked hard with leftists in the PCUSA for a long time and lobbied for change.

And Protestants are not too friendly toward Buddhists alas. They prefer their fellow Abrahamists.

Willy writes:


> If we apply a uniform standard of Lernerism, I'd
have to say that Chinese treatment of Uighurs is probably far worse.

Then let's add it to the list of reasons to call for divestment from China. The more ammunition, the better.


> Your concentration on the Tibetan minority
therefore reeks of traditional anti-Islamic bigotry.

It is not a concentration: it just happens to be the example I picked out. Tell me more about the Uighurs and their situation.


> Personally, I'm for concentrating my fire where
it's likely to prove effective and where I'm implicated as a taxpayer.

How about where you are implicated as a human being? You are certainly implicated in China in terms of economic choices you make.

Chuck writes:


> The conflict has been going on for a long time and
the occupation is an egregious example of an injustice.

And the Chinese have oppressed Tibet since just last week and their occupation is not "an egregious example of an injustice"?


> Israel gets lots of aid from the United States, to the
point where it could almost be considered the 51st state.

So? If China got a lot of aid from the US you might then be stirred to action?


> There are lots of good reasons to divest from China:
censorship, environmental destruction, labor abuses and so on.

I agree. Probably a longer list than most other countries.

Brian Dauth Queer Buddhist Resister



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