Joanna
Leigh Meyers wrote:
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> I second the motion on Andie's post in it's entirety, especially this
> part:
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> "...another nasty and vicious militaristic apartheid state
> and (since 1967) a junior partner in US imperialism
> that has no business claiming to speak for the Jews,"
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> andie nachgeborenen wrote:
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>> I dunno, Chip knows a lot about right wing wackiness,
>> but in my too many decades of experience all across
>> the left I have _never_ encountered anything I would
>> identify as left wing anti-semitism.
>> Of course I am a non-Zionist who views Israel as just
>> another nasty and vicious militaristic apartheid state
>> and (since 1967) a junior partner in US imperialism
>> that has no business claiming to speak for the Jews, a
>> presumption that incenses me, especially when what it
>> presumes to say for the Jews is that they should level
>> Palestinean houses, steal Palestinean land, shoot
>> Palestinean children, carry out murder missions with
>> widespread "collateral damage," build Berlin walls
>> with my tax money, and so forth. I don't advocate the
>> military annihilation of Israel, but the basic
>> attitudes it provokes in me are loathing, shame, and
>> anger. In a lot of people's books that makes _me_ an
>> anti-semite or "self-hating Jew." I think that people
>> who have this view are conscious or unconscious shills
>> for violent and oppressive racist nationalism. (This
>> made for interesting discussions with my parents when
>> they were alive.)
>> I don't know if that is what Chip means. If he means,
>> however, that there are people on the left who hate,
>> dislike, or discriminates against Jews because they
>> have stereotypical ideas about Jews (Jews are greedy,
>> pushy, uncouth, conspiratorial, clannish, whatever),
>> just speaking personally from my own experience I have
>> not encountered that. On the contrary, it's been my
>> experience that Jews have been not merely welcome but
>> overrepresented in every capacity of activism and
>> leadership on the left in ever group I've had contact
>> with on the left from DSA to Marxist-Leninist outfits.
>>
>> Maybe Chiop or others have had different experiences,
>> though.
>>
>> jks
>>
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