[lbo-talk] What is you know what ?

[Leigh Meyers]

Jim Devine wrote:
> Okay, then what kind of evidence or logic would convince you that the
> United States is not currently on the road to fascism (or already
> there)?
>
> To convince me that fascism is here, I'd have to see large numbers --
> thousands -- of US citizens being treated in the same way that the
> prisoners in Guantanamo are being treated (incarcerated without legal
> basis, not charged, tortured). 
>
>   
The United States incarcerates a larger percentage of it's population
than any other country in the world. What kind of evidence would it
take to convince you that the legal system maintains order in and about
this society where the unaffected and unencumbered never notice the
screams of the inmates as they are gangraped or assaulted by prison
staff and guards (often private employees wholly unaccountable to
overview) at ANY prison in the country where the cells are often the
same size as Guantanmo, especially if it's "protective" incarceration
like Pelican Bay or Marion Ohio? After a few months, your back is
permanently FUBAR and you can barely walk anymore.

That's torture...
> I might be in jail myself.  The ACLU
> wouldn't be allowed to appeal.
The appeals in capital cases have been severely limited.
By current standards, many of the falsely convicted BPP
members like "Geronimo" Pratt would have been dead
years ago... Now 'Reclaim the streets", an organization
that throws impromptu "Block Parties" has been declared
a terrorist org.

Just sit still, they will catch up with the intellectuals eventually.


>  You wouldn't see members of the leading
> (vanguard?) party complaining about restrictions on civil liberties.
>
>   
Vanguard party? You mean the Democrat side of the congressional
and senatorial aisle?

Only because the constituents are demanding it, the people that many on this
list seem to think are some sort of stereotypical  'redneck bubbas', or your
'vanguard'would remain mute AND quite content with the situation...
as most of them did in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq, or COINTELPRO
or anything else that "seems like a good idea at the time", the 
'vanguard' would
have sold out a Looooong time before they were personally threatened, and
have, at almost every possible opportunity.

I see the capitulation quite regularly, right here on this list.

Leigh
www.leighm.net
http://leighmdotnet.blogspot.com/