Fw: [lbo-talk] not everything is getting worse...

Marvin Gandall marvgandall at videotron.ca
Mon Feb 20 18:58:20 PST 2006


I agree that it's a minority who feel economically and culturally threatened by immigration, but it's a growing minority, as evidenced in the US, for example, by the appearance of the Minutemen and Lou Dobbs' nightly tirades on CNN, and by the undeniable anti-Muslim feelings in France, Holland, Denmark and other parts of Western Europe. Of course, I don't think there is any imminent danger of fascism, and won't be unless we get a serious depression. But I'm not sure I understand why you distinguish between immigrants and minority communities; they're intertwined. The minorities - apart from black Americans, who have been in the US for hundreds of years -are, for the most part, recent arrivals and their subsequent US-born offspring from Asia, the Middle East, Africa, the Americas, and the Caribbean who congregate in their own communities.

No disagreement that mass fascism is the product of economic crisis, but you're wrong in suggesting it would have to to be given a "go ahead" by the US and EU or other governments. It's preeminently a mass movement from below, which isn't to say that it doesn't attract support from influential and opportunistic right-wingers at the top when it nears power. ------------------------------------ Wojtek wrote:


> --- Marvin Gandall <marvgandall at videotron.ca> wrote:
>
> movement be
>> reacting to? I don't think
>> you're accounting for the depth of "white anxiety"
>> in the US - and Europe,
>> for that matter - where the far right has been
>> fueled primarily by
>> immigration from developing countires.
>
> I do not see much evidence of it - there are pockets
> of bigotry, to be sure, but they are in the minority,
> most likely less than 10% of the population.
>
> Fascism is not a response to immigration or more
> generally - a "foreign threat." Historically, fascist
> reaction was almost always directed at LOCAL
> minorities, Jews in Eastern Europe and Germany, Serbs,
> Croats, Muslims in x-Yugoslavia, Tootsies in Rwanda -
> etc. In most cases, there were two elements of such a
> reaction: (1) economic competition from a minority
> group that fueled resentment, and (2) a "go-ahead"
> from above (cf. "kill the cockroaches" broadcast in
> Rwanda, and similar government-sanctioned propaganda
> in x-Yugoslavia, Eastern Europe or Germany) to to act
> on those resesntments out, and 'settle the score' once
> and for all.
>
> Both elements are necessary for an outbreak of fascist
> reaction: without econommic threat, the "go ahead"
> from above will fall od deaf ears; without the "go
> ahead" the resentment will not transform into a
> coordinated action.
>
> I do not think that many US-sers, or for that matter
> Europeans feel economically threatened by immigrants.
> In fact, the opposite seems to be true, they benefit
> from cheap immigrant labor. So there is not much
> economic resentment, except perhaps in narrow pockets
> of society. Furthermore, I simply do not see the US
> or EU government giving the "go ahead." Even after
> 9/11 and even Bush strongly condemned mob violence
> against Muslims. They may use racial profiling and
> other "quiet" methods of discrimination - but I am
> pretty sure that no government or respectable
> political party in the US, Canada, or EU will openly
> encourage let alone abet fascist reaction. In fact,
> it is safe to bet on that.
>
> Unfortunately, people who feel frustrated and
> powerless often use strong language and hyperboles to
> vent their frustrations. Hence we hear tirades from
> both the left and the right, which are built around
> the same theme - emotive speeches against a hatred
> scapegoat (fascists, racists, capitalists, or yuppies
> for the left, and immigrants, liberals,or minorities
> for the right.) In both cases, this amounts basically
> to spitting on asphalt - an expression of emotions
> that is rather inconsequential, and certainly not a
> forecast of things to come.
>
> Wojtek
>
>
>
>
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