[lbo-talk] Spinoza v. Locke

joanna 123hop at comcast.net
Fri Jan 27 09:50:37 PST 2006


Well.....as George Carlin put it: "Have you ever considered that everything God makes.......dies?"

Joanna

Chris Doss wrote:


>--- Chuck Grimes <cgrimes at rawbw.com> wrote:
>So far in Spinoza, he rejects revelation, miracles,
>prophecy, prophets
>of course, divine law, and holy scripture. His idea of
>God is
>essentially equivalent to the `laws of nature'.
>
>---
>
>God _is_ nature. Deus sive natura -->
>
>PROP. XVIII. God is the indwelling and not the
>transient cause of all things.
>
>Proof.--All things which are, are in God, and must be
>conceived through God (by Prop. xv.), therefore (by
>Prop. xvi., Coroll i.) God is the cause of those
>things which are in him. This is our first point.
>Further, besides God there can be no substance (by
>Prop. xiv.), that is nothing in itself external to
>God. This is our second point. God, therefore, is the
>indwelling and not the transient cause of all things.
>Q.E.D.
>
>PROP. XIX. God, and all the attributes of God, are
>eternal.
>
>Proof.--God (by Def. vi.) is substance, which (by
>Prop. xi.) necessarily exists, that is (by Prop. vii.)
>existence appertains to its nature, or (what is the
>same thing) follows from its definition; therefore,
>God is eternal (by Def. viii.). Further, by the
>attributes of God we must understand that which (by
>Def. iv.) expresses the essence of the divine
>substance--in other words, that which appertains to
>substance: that, I say, should be involved in the
>attributes of substance. Now eternity appertains to
>the nature of substance (as I have already shown in
>Prop. vii.); therefore, eternity must appertain to
>each of the attributes, and thus all are eternal.
>Q.E.D.
>
>Note.--This proposition is also evident from the
>manner in which (in Prop. xi.) I demonstrated the
>existence of God; it is evident, I repeat, from that
>proof, that the existence of God, like his essence, is
>an eternal truth Further (in Prop. xix. of my
>"Principles of the Cartesian Philosophy"), I have
>proved the eternity of God, in another manner, which I
>need not here repeat.
>
>Etc.
>
>http://www.mtsu.edu/~rbombard/RB/Spinoza/ethica1.html#Prop.%20XXV.
>
>Nu, zayats, pogodi!
>
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