[lbo-talk] Yoshie: "dialogue" takes listening on your part, too

Steven L. Robinson srobin21 at comcast.net
Wed Jul 12 14:06:46 PDT 2006


So where does the Green Party part fit? Many Greens take decentralization as one of their most important principles. Does your anathema of the state extend to that as well? SR

-------------- Original message -------------- From: Eric Beck <rayrena at realtime.net>


>
> > Somehow I fail to see what creepy Green Party-Populism and
> >statist socialism have in common. While I disagree with some aspects
> >of Yoshie's view of the internal affairs of the Iranian state, it
> >seems fairly clear that she is no "state socialist" as that term is
> >generally used
>
> An admirer of Lenin and Hobbes who believes that any future
> socialist/communist movement must take control of the state to be
> successful not a state socialist? What is a state socialist then?
>
> As far as the commonalities, briefly: Both populism and socialism
> find their representation/justification in the figure of "the
> people." The state is coterminus with the people, meaning there is
> always an other who is not the people, outside of the state, and
> populism and socialism are two types of politics that attempt to take
> hold of state power in order to carry out the function of drawing
> (and constantly redrawing, whenever it serves their purposes) the
> boundary between the people and the not-people, inside and outside
> the state. State socialism (eg, Chavismo) of course tends to exclude
> less along racial and gender lines that populism (eg, the US
> anti-immigration movement), but it still reserves the right to fix,
> but not dissolve, the boundaries.
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