[lbo-talk] USMC: The Few, the Proud, the Savage

Jim Devine jdevine03 at gmail.com
Sat Jun 3 08:31:57 PDT 2006


Carl Remick quoted:
> 'Marines are good at killing. Nothing else. They like it'

Yeah, they're killing machines. But they are supposed to be controlled from above, by the military hierarchy. They're not supposed to be hired freebooters or berzerkers. If Marines are killing people who they aren't supposed to kill (according to the hierarchy's will), the next thing you know, they'll be fragging officers... Thus, if (as seems likely) the Marines in Haditha killed a bunch of innocents for no military reason at all, it's because (1) the military hierarchy is breaking down or (2) they were ordered to do so. (That's Weberian bureaucratic rationality for you!)

At this point, it seems that (1) is more likely. As seen in the story, the Marines seem to be understaffed, (justly) paranoid about Iraqis, overstretched, and losing morale. The officers above may be distancing them from responsibility for what's going on on the ground, just as they did with Abu Graib (etc.) It's possible that Iraq is doing to the all-volunteer army what Vietnam did to the drafted one.

Meanwhile, the response of the US military in Afghanistan is that their soldiers aren't subject to Afghan law. The same goes for Iraq, I'd bet. These are the kinds of "extraterritorial rights" that are characteristic of colonizing powers and that the Chinese revolutionaries fought like hell.

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>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Extraterritoriality is the state of being exempt from the jurisdiction of local law, usually as the result of diplomatic negotiations. Extraterritoriality can also be applied to physical places, such as embassies, consulates, or military bases of foreign countries, or offices of the United Nations. These places remain the sovereign territories of the host countries, and although they are not subject to local law, local law enforcement agencies do have the duties of protecting them from outside disturbances and can in some cases arrest a person there for crimes committed on the host states' soil.

The three most common cases recognized today internationally relate to the persons and belongings of foreign sovereigns, the persons and belongings of ambassadors and certain other diplomatic agents, and public ships in foreign waters.

Extraterritoriality is often extended to friendly or allied militaries, particularly for the purposes of allowing that military to simply pass through one's territory.

Extraterritoriality can also refer to the extension of the power of a nation's laws to its citizens abroad. For example, if a person commits homicide abroad and goes back to his country of citizenship, the latter can still try him under its own laws, although this is likely to involve transfer of evidence and other judicial information.

Historical cases

During the thirteenth and fourteenth centuries, the Italian sea republics of Genoa and Venice managed to wrestle extraterritoriality for their quarters (Pera and Galata) in the Byzantine capital, Constantinople. They even battled among themselves for further control of the weakened empire.

A historic case of extraterritoriality was the seizure of the railways of Nicaragua by Brown Brothers Harriman, a U.S. banking firm. Under the Knox-Castrillo Treaty of 1911 these railroads became legally part of the State of Maine, according to former president of Guatemala, Juan José Arévalo, in his book The Shark and the Sardines (Lyle Stuart, New York, 1961).

Perhaps the most well-known cases of historical extraterritoriality concerned European nationals in 19th century China and Japan under the so-called unequal treaties. Extraterritoriality was imposed upon China in the Treaty of Nanking, resulting from the First Opium War. Shanghai in particular became a major center of foreign activity, as it contained two extraterritorial zones, the International Settlement and the French Concession. These extraterritorialities officially ended only after the end of World War II.

Japan recognized extraterritoriality in the treaties concluded with the United States, the United Kingdom, France, Netherlands, and Russia in 1858, in connection with the concept of "Most Favored Nation." However, Japan succeeded in reforming her unequal status with Western countries through the Anglo-Japanese Treaty of Commerce and Navigation signed on July 16, 1894 in London.

Extraterritoriality in China for non-diplomatic personnel ended in the early twentieth century. Germany and Austria-Hungary lost their rights in China in 1917 after China joined the allies in World War I; the Soviet Union gave up its rights in China in 1924; the United States and United Kingdom gave up their rights in 1943; Italy and Japan gave up their rights by virtue of being at war with China in World War II; and France was the last country to give up its rights, in 1946.

The Treaty Ports in Ireland, which were sovereign bases created by the United Kingdom in 1922, did not enjoy extraterritoriality from the Irish Free State. They were instead pieces of sovereign territory retained by the United Kingdom, until they were finally ceded to the Free State in 1938.

-- Jim Devine / "If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you." -- Oscar Wilde



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