[lbo-talk] Language of Contempt

joanna 123hop at comcast.net
Sun Jun 4 08:53:17 PDT 2006


I didn't say that a man can't be demeaned, I said that culturally it's deemed impossible. Personally, of course, it's a different story. And, as you say, a woman laughing at a man is a kind of killing partly because she's not supposed to have any power.

J.

andie nachgeborenen wrote:


>--- Charles Brown <cbrown at michiganlegal.org> wrote:
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>> Joanna writes:
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>>>In this culture, a man can never be demeaned
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>>relative
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>>>to a woman, therefore his relations with women can
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>>never
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>>>result in a demeaning term.
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>
>I forget where I read this, maybe in s good book I
>read recently called The Erotic Silence of the
>American Wife by Dalma Heyn, that the one thing that
>men said they feared most about women was that women
>were going to laugh at them, and the one thing that
>women said they feared most about men was that men
>would kill them.
>
>This brings out the disparity of power, but it also
>does cut against Joanna' claim that in our culture a
>man can't be demeaned relative to a woman. (At various
>points I've felt - been -- demeaned relative to a
>woman, and some of them have laughed at me, very
>humiliating. I've never killed any of them or wanted
>to, however (I'm really very gentle and pacific),
>although I have wished that evil things would befall
>Margaret Thatcher -- that God would drop a safe on her
>or some such.
>
>The lack of a contemptuous male counterpart to "slut"
>reflects something else, the double standard -- sex,
>lots of sex, with different people, is PK, admirable
>in men, but strongly disapproved in women. Heyn is
>very good on this, btw.
>
>And I hate open this can of worms again, but there is
>an obvious sociobiological explanation for the double
>standard, which does not of course mean it is
>unchangeable or justifiable.
>
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