On Wed, 03 May 2006 20:06:22 -0400 "Max B. Sawicky" <sawicky at verizon.net>
writes:
> I was comparing the language, not the person. Yoshie is not like any
> kind
> of bigot. Indeed, she is not like anyone I know.
>
> There is something off-putting about a member of one ethnic group
> classifying others according to positive and negative traits.
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> If someone is espousing ruling class ideology or politics, his or
> her
> religion is irrelevant. The preferred course is to explain the bad
> politics
> of the organizers without reference to religion. All the
> jew-zionist
> correlation and focus is the problem.
However, I think it's a bit disingenuous to say that religion is irrelevant to people's political positions or ideologies (if only that were so), especially in a country like the US where ethnic and religious politics is very important. Certainly within the Jewish community, people who are very critical of Israel or of Zionism are often denounced as "self-hating Jews" or worse. (Look at the criticisms that people like Chomsky have had to endure over the years). Zionist organizations make very strenuous efforts at appealing to ethnic solidarity to squelch criticisms of Israel within the Jewish community. To ignore that is to misunderstand an important aspect of contemporary US politics.
It may be the case that the "bad politics of the organizers" is best explained without reference to religion. However, that certainly doesn't stop those very same organizers from exploiting appeals to ethnic and religious solidarity to enforce political conformity on certain issues.
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> [mailto:lbo-talk-bounces at lbo-talk.org]On Behalf Of Doug Henwood
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> Subject: Re: [lbo-talk] MPug Rats Out Yoshie To Cooper
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> Marvin Gandall wrote:
>
> >But I've come across no one on
> >this list who has referred to "Establishment Jews" or some variant
> of that
> >description who is remotely like a Southern bigot, distinguishing
> between
> >so-called good Jews and bad ones, good blacks and bad blacks.
>
> And doing so would be a kickable offense!
>
> Doug
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