[lbo-talk] "there is a real class divide in the art world between the art workers and the art thinkers"

joanna 123hop at comcast.net
Sun May 7 12:35:07 PDT 2006


Yeah, I'm not disagreeing with you, I was just trying to point out that the division of labor in the arts is not new; but the way it's implemented is.

j.

gboozell at juno.com wrote:


>The system operating in the visual arts is not for the most part,
>an apprentice system. These workers have much more in common with
>contemporary factory workers than with medieval craft guilds.
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>Greg
>gboozell at juno.com
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>-- joanna <123hop at comcast.net> wrote:
>This division is as old as art itself -- the masterpieces of the
>Renaissance were often constructed in studios where apprentice,
>journeymen, and master artists worked together to 'create' the finished
>piece.
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>There is nothing wrong with this system so long as the apprentices get
>to be journeymen and the journeymen get to be masters. They say it takes
>a solid ten years to learn any craft. You might as well be productive
>while you're learning.
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>The problem with the system now is that this upward mobility is
>vanishing. There are still arts that use it, for example ballet, but
>mostly the star system is coming to govern academia and the arts.
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>Joanna
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>gboozell at juno.com wrote:
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>>What part did you find depressing - that many artists don't fabricate
>>their own work - or that anonymous assistants do most or the fabrication work (they failed to mention the shitty pay that often
>>comes along with the job) - or...?
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>>Greg Boozell
>>gboozell at juno.com
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>>-- John Adams <jadams01 at sprynet.com> wrote:
>>This was weirdly, depressingly interesting to read:
>>http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/07/arts/design/07fine.html?
>>_r=1&th=&oref=slogin&emc=th&pagewanted=print
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