On May 9, 2006, at 5:07 PM, Marvin Gandall wrote:
>
> Joel Schalit wrote:
>
>> Hey Marvin,
>
>> I agree with you completely. Barghouti will eventually be released,
>> from
>> what I hear. He's considered a "bargaining chip", and will be let
>> loose
>> when the Israelis believe its time for a leadership change, so to
>> speak.
>>
>> Just to clarify vis Abunimah, he's not a two state guy. His argument
>> is
>> that a one state solution is the only realistic one, and is, for all
>> intents and purposes, already in effect through the Occupation.
> ==========================================
> Right you are, Joel. I understood that, and was agreeing with Yoshie's
> point
> about him being unrepresentative on that account. He and others do
> have a
> point, however, in suggesting that there is already de facto a single
> "apartheid" Greater Israel and that what is currently on offer is not
> really
> a two-state but a "bantustan" solution. If the Israelis had decided
> not to
> withdraw from the Palestinian areas, the logic would point to a South
> African-style struggle for civil rights within that unitary framework.
> However, as we know, the Israelis, except for the settlers and what is
> left
> of Likud, have indicated they will withdraw from the Palestinian areas
> precisely to escape the demographic and democratic dilemmas which
> remaining
> there would involve for them. So the only real road aparently now open
> to
> the Palestinians - and it is a sad and difficult one - is to try and
> make
> their future land-locked "independent" state as viable as possible in
> negotations with the Israelis. The Israelis think this objective will
> eventually bring Hamas or whoever else is in power to the table after
> they
> withdraw, especially if they threaten the population with continued
> economic
> misery if they do not follow their script.
>
> Thanks for the info about Barghouti. He would play the Mandela role if
> the
> Israelis. like the Afrikaaners, were serious about a lasting
> resolution.
> Unfortunately, the internal and external pressure on the Israelis to
> settle
> doesn't seem as strong as it was on the white South Africans.
>
>
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